Curse

masterbeef · Nov 22, 2005, 06:03 AM // 06:03

WOOT gold right here! Make sure its not the chocolate dollar ones, those ones hurt my teeth!

Pong · Nov 22, 2005, 06:06 AM // 06:06

Beef meet me in lions arch d1 for 15k. I was going to give a wod to toast but it looks like he is afk.

This post was to support an LBS runner so it wont get of topic.

I have to get back to work i'll see you around beef.

Senator Tom · Nov 22, 2005, 06:11 AM // 06:11

well guys nevermind about me wanting to join...some weird bug replaced Capitan Sparrow (my warrior with the black 15k armor, 4 15^50 swords) with an old pvp char or something weird and anet wont do anything about it

Bubba Lips · Nov 22, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57

pong - sounds good, a runner's rivalry academy.

lol, who shall be Lady Red Aluminum?

Batou of Nine · Nov 22, 2005, 08:34 AM // 08:34

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Originally Posted by Killer Toast

im glad i payed those 15 ectos because they dont just give you lessons in running but they become your friends and money cant buy friends

FIRST of all. i am NOT trying to state my opinion about the thread topic at hand. I just HAD HAD to make sure EVERYONE saw this line. Thank You Toast for the hardest laughing fit i have had in....forever...

btw, not meant is a flame either, you probably just didnt proof read too well...hehe.

fenix · Nov 22, 2005, 11:25 AM // 11:25

Hate to bring up a past comment, but I haven't been here to pick up on you LBSRA guys' comments XD

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You have to remember that ~80% of all GW players have less than 20k in their account. So you are effectively charging this person 25% of their entire savings account for a short run. My clients are the other 20% of GW players, with close to 1000k in their account. I charge 25k for LA to Sanctum Cay, completing the mission, which is effectively 2.5% of their savings. The defense rests...

Here's a though, what if I charged my price to the 20% of GW players? Who wins then? And what if you charge your prices to the 80%? You have to take in all factors, and no you have no defence that would pass in court.

I believe everyone should be allowed to make these services, but Lady Blue Steel is being greedy charging so much. That is the one reason I have been posting here, because the prices for both joining and being run are ridiculous.

lord_shar · Nov 22, 2005, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Originally Posted by trim

*Yawn* You know this isn't school right. I am still trying to ponder if your intentions are truly good. The facts are this isn't college, and the majority of the people that play this game probably see it as form of relaxation from there every day life. I'm sure you and your clan have a great time together with your experiences, the environment, and running from town to town. If killing some monsters in a game, running past a bunch of tundra giants, or typing in a few emotes is an experience to you that is good. It gives you something to be proud of yourself for.

I'm starting to think that you're losing perspective. GW is a game, so what does good vs. evil intentions have anything to do with this? You can roleplay as you see fit, establish standards, etc., so long as you don't violate the EULA.

Many parts of the game does require skills beyond the brute-force method, and this is where LBS has capitalized -- in teaching various techniques to make the game easier to play.

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Originally Posted by trim

I really think people would have the upmost respect for you and everything you do, if you weren't taking in profits on the side. This kills any type of respect anyone might have for you on the outside of your guild. It almost seems like you have put yourself up on some pedestal, and act like your better in every aspect of what you do. I think this is why a few people have called you arrogant.

Creating a profitable business model, whether in game or real life, is perfectly fine so long as it doesn't involve fraud, racketeering, or any other criminal activity. LBSRA doesn't commit any of these acts, so where's the problem? No profit can be made unless there's demand for what someone is supplying. Obviously LBS found a specialized market and had enough initiative to make it a good business.

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Originally Posted by trim

I have seen you multiple times say how you truly beleive you are the richest and famous person in the game. Really, thats not how a person of any respect or stature should be running around talking. If I had someone I truly looked up to and was being taught things I dont think I would like hearing him him talk about how famous and rich he was. Obviously, I think your trying to turn this game into something more than it is.

Nothing wrong with freedom of speech minus the schoolyard politics. Tooting your own horn is perfectly fine, so long as it doesn't violate the EULA.

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Originally Posted by trim

Fact is, you owe a huge debt to these forums. If it wasn't for these guys allowing you to post this thread up here you wouldn't have a near the amount you have now.

Where did this come from? And frankly, who cares? What relevance does it have to any of this thread? None of us would be here without the internet... who should we thank, Al Gore?

In case you missed it, LBS is a real life lawyer by profession. There's no reason why he can't apply some of what he learned from the real world in-game. If anyone plans on lecturing anyone else in here about ethics in this thread, then that person better have his credentials squared away first.

DarkSider84 · Nov 22, 2005, 02:13 PM // 14:13

I think this is pretty cool that someones offering this service to newer players and even some moderate or veterans would be interested.

dreamex2 · Nov 22, 2005, 02:25 PM // 14:25

@talon.

Rich people will pay more for guaranteed success. Many of these players make more than 20k in the time it takes a public runner to complete a run while there's always a chance of failure delaying completion even further.

Unless you could offer the same level of service, and have a good name where people will vouch for you, the same 20% may be hesitant to use your service even if it were cheaper. As an LBSRA graduate, you are certified and you may charge any price you want with the same recognition though.

If they targetted their market towards the 80%, which they wouldn't do... then their prices would probably be adjusted. I've seen people in the guild pick up runs for cheaper because they've got the free time and I've seen people in the guild pick up runs for free because they've got nothing to do. Prices listed are a guideline designed to take advantage of the wealthy ^.~

To address your second point, yes everyone is allowed to make those services, however, in regards to an academy-style learning environment, nobody else has come forward with that perogative. (well, maybe Malafis and his healing school>.>)

That effectively means that LBS has a current monopoly on that service, because it's a video game community where there are lacksadaisal rulings, she could effectively charge whatever she wanted as long as it was still profitable. However, like a real-world business, she hasn't raised her prices (The company monopolizing a service may not arbitrarily raise charges without due cause as seen by the governing body) anyways to take advantage of the monopoly.

As for charging too much for runs, please keep in mind that these prices are advertised on a FORUM. None of the LBS members spam in Beacons or Lions or wherever else with these prices. I think (or I'd like to think anyhow :P) the people visiting these forums are moderately educated and know exactly why they're paying so much.

Thanks for your concern!

And how come I don't get any hugs><

Sergio Leone · Nov 22, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

*Hugs Dream* (hehe) I know what your thinking. Yes it was a little, but I am not. Well only on Holidays.

capitalist · Nov 22, 2005, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by talon

And what if you charge your prices to the 80%? You have to take in all factors, and no you have no defence that would pass in court.

Ummm.... do you read? I said I service the 20% with a mil+ in the bank. I don't cater to new players... they don't have enough gold.

Good counter argument there genius.

dreamex2 · Nov 22, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Play nicely children.

masterbeef · Nov 22, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

FIRST of all. i am NOT trying to state my opinion about the thread topic at hand. I just HAD HAD to make sure EVERYONE saw this line. Thank You Toast for the hardest laughing fit i have had in....forever...

btw, not meant is a flame either, you probably just didnt proof read too well...hehe.

Be nice to toast, he's semi retarded after losing to me so many times in rock, paper scissors.

capitalist · Nov 22, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by dreamex2

Play nicely children.

I am playing nicely...

Talon is trying to use what we call a "Straw Man Argument." The Straw Man fallacy is when you misrepresent someone else's position so that it can be attacked more easily, knock down that misrepresented position, then conclude that the original position has been demolished. It's a fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been made.

Once again, after all the appeals, the defense rests.

~$~

dreamex2 · Nov 22, 2005, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Sarcasm is not nice

And it's not entirely Straw-Man yet, he hasn't misrepresented your position so much as pose an alternate scenario. Although the alternate scenario has no bearing on the topic at hand.

trim · Nov 22, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

In case you missed it, LBS is a real life lawyer by profession.:

I absolutly love this. This has got to be at least the sixth time I have seen this posted. How is this relevant to anything. It doesn't take a genious to take a common build for running, and basically turn it into a way to make some gold. The guy has a job like everyone else. Big Deal.

Master Beef you can sign me up for your new Academy. Looks Nice

E Power · Nov 22, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by trim

I absolutly love this. This has got to be at least the sixth time I have seen this posted. How is this relevant to anything. It doesn't take a genious to take a common build for running, and basically turn it into a way to make some gold. The guy has a job like everyone else. Big Deal.

Master Beef you can sign me up for your new Academy. Looks Nice

I totally agree, yay... LBS is a lawyer... She has an exstensive vocublary, does that necessarily mean she can teach to run like a pro? No guarantees.

killer toast · Nov 22, 2005, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Pong

I like this Killer Toast Guy. Hey man, you want 100k.

hell ya ill take that and batou ya im stupid as hell so ummm ya

PONG I LOVE YOU TY FOR THE 100k!!!!

masterbeef · Nov 22, 2005, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Did you serioiusly give him 100k? Compared to my measly 15?

Oh well, i was hoping my awesome new academy would get me some gold but the mods shut me down, i'm gonna have ta stick it to tha man.

Mindcrime · Nov 23, 2005, 12:59 AM // 00:59

I admire people who have the will and strength, nagging about old stuff over and over again.

1. How "bad" the academy is.
2. We charge too much
3. Enrollment tuition
4...and god knows what.

I can't figure out why people take this so personal? When you have
NO clue what we can offer?

Has the negative comments changed anything?

1. The academy is even more popular (daily new applications)
2. The customers is coming in as normal
3. Accepting new tuitions several times a week.
4. God seems to like LBSRA.

I can only come to the conclusion that instead of giving a bad
name to the academy it seems to backfire and reinforce the good
reputation that LBS and the new breed of elite runners in LBSRA have, as for myself. (oh crap, I'm arrogant to?!)

Seriously, if you don't believe in yourself, you won't progress in any
game or in real life.

-Elita-